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Post by toxic32 on Jun 19, 2017 9:45:43 GMT 10
If we can use the redshift to measure the speed of galaxies moving away from our galaxy and measure the speed of other galaxies as they spread out and move away from each other! Why can't we extrapolate or point to a spot in the universe/space where the big bang happened? TBC
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Post by Wes Gear on Jun 19, 2017 19:35:14 GMT 10
However, what many people don’t realize about the Big Bang is that it was not matter exploding into empty space. Rather, the Big Bang was space itself expanding. When the Big Bang happened, everything was in one location. Think of it as an infinitesimally small point. Then that point expanded until we get the universe we have today. Notably, this point was the entire universe, and it expanded, so instead of the Big Bang happening in a specific part of the universe and stretching out from there, it happened everywhere. All of space started expanding—the points between points started to stretch out—it wasn’t just growing at the edges and moving outward. To be absolutely clear, space was literally growing everywhere. link
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Post by brillbilly on Jun 20, 2017 2:06:12 GMT 10
There could be another alternative ? No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning (Phys.org) —The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once. Read more at: phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html#jCp
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Post by toxic32 on Jun 28, 2017 18:46:27 GMT 10
However, what many people don’t realize about the Big Bang is that it was not matter exploding into empty space. Rather, the Big Bang was space itself expanding. When the Big Bang happened, everything was in one location. Think of it as an infinitesimally small point. Then that point expanded until we get the universe we have today. Notably, this point was the entire universe, and it expanded, so instead of the Big Bang happening in a specific part of the universe and stretching out from there, it happened everywhere. All of space started expanding—the points between points started to stretch out—it wasn’t just growing at the edges and moving outward. To be absolutely clear, space was literally growing everywhere. linkI agree with your statement! And as time and space are the same thing both came into existence at the same instance making them inseparable. Mmmmmm? So time becomes flexible and distance is an illusion imposed on us by the stretching of time. So reality becomes flexible and only a by-product of the present? There can be no future! Only the present and the past present, which was the present because we are aware of only now. The future can't exist because time hasn't stretched beyond now. If time, space and the conditions for our reality began in the instance expansion started. Let's assume that our concept of the beginning of time/expansion was represented with a full stop (.) and in due course that full stop is now this (~~~) (I will explain the fluctuations later) So that instant tick of time has stretched! It's still the same tick of time/existence only now it can be perceived as what we call space? You wouldn't be aware it was space if you didn't have something to measure it against. If there were no other galaxies in what we call the universe we would have no concept of time or space! So it's all down to perspective! As we are part of that expanding instant of existence our perspective is limited. As the universe is infinitely large! And the beginning was infinitely small! How do we know we are not still infinitely small? As our perspective is as part of the flexible stretching instant of existence and we have no reference point to measure (now) against? We can and do use the so-called known visible universe as some sort of yardstick. But all that confirms is our poor understanding of how things really are. If the colour of light is the measure of the distance we use to calculate how far another galaxy is from our galaxy and how fast it's moving away from us. How do we know that is a reliable means of reference? If we use the instant tick of existence as being correct and we accept that time and space are one and the same! Then we also have to consider that during that instance of begining, light was one of the by-products and has existed from the very instance of expansion is acceptable. Then light has been streched from the very beginning of space/time and has always been part of the (.) So using light as a measure of distance from another mass in space is fraut with problems because that light has been stretched from the very start of the now we are experiencing. We are told that the speed of light is a constant that can't be acceeded! That is, unless of course you need it to, so you can explain how the universe began. Can you believe this shit...(as long as those edges can't see each other) LOLOLOL...TBC
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Post by p6t on Jun 29, 2017 22:14:36 GMT 10
This is such a cool topic, but my brain has a hard time comprehending the whole idea of spacetime, before the Big Bang, and the concept of an ever-expanding universe (what's it expanding in to??? if there's nothing, and it's expanding into it, then it must be something!). I have a really hard time thinking in abstracts like that, I am way too logical and it freaks me right out. lol
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Post by brillbilly on Jul 1, 2017 5:17:32 GMT 10
This is such a cool topic, but my brain has a hard time comprehending the whole idea of spacetime, before the Big Bang, and the concept of an ever-expanding universe (what's it expanding in to??? if there's nothing, and it's expanding into it, then it must be something!). I have a really hard time thinking in abstracts like that, I am way too logical and it freaks me right out. lol I dont even try to work this all out lol
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Post by toxic32 on Jul 1, 2017 8:47:12 GMT 10
This is such a cool topic, but my brain has a hard time comprehending the whole idea of spacetime, before the Big Bang, and the concept of an ever-expanding universe (what's it expanding in to??? if there's nothing, and it's expanding into it, then it must be something!). I have a really hard time thinking in abstracts like that, I am way too logical and it freaks me right out. lol I know where you are coming from! So just imagine you are inside a balloon before it was blown up and the balloon was just a spot! Don't think about what's outside of the balloon because there is nothing! Everything that is anything is in the spot which is the balloon/universe. Then for some reason, the balloon/universe started to expand. The problem is your perspective is from inside the part of the balloon/universe that is the wall or fabric of the balloon/universe (the balloon wall). As it expands. The so-called dark matter everybody is looking for and speculating about is the force that is forcing the balloon/universe to expand. But this is a big but! Your perspective is only focused within the wall/fabric of what you can see and perceive as the universe! Because what we perceive of as our reality is contained within the perspective of the wall/fabric of the known universe. I say known! Because our perspective limits our grasp of what is the force that is driving the expansion. We call it dark matter because it's beyond our understanding at this moment in time...Now that is a whole new subject. Just a thought! If the infinitely moment we call time was was the only infinite moment ever in the creation of the universe. Then we are still within that moment and our perspective is being distorted and streched.
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Post by Wes Gear on Jul 3, 2017 21:55:15 GMT 10
When we think of the Balloon expansion Theory we have movement in Time. There was no Time at that Moment. New Theories are suggesting that the whole 'Universal Expansion' was 'Instant'.
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