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Post by brillbilly on Jul 18, 2014 7:52:12 GMT 10
Reports are coming in that this could have been Shot down by missile I wonder who will get the blame? ? Malaysia Airlines plane en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has crashed in eastern Ukraine. There were 285 people and 15 crew members on board the Boeing-777 aircraft. Thursday, July 17 21:38 GMT: Malaysia Airlines plane crash was “not an accident," as the jet was "blown out of the sky,” US Vice President Joe Biden commented at a conference in Detroit on Thursday. Biden added that "we don't have all the detail yet," but said "there may have been American citizens on board." 21:34 GMT: Responsibility for investigating the circumstances of the Boeing 777 crash in the Donetsk region, lies on the Ukrainian side, Sergey Zayko, Deputy for the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) told Channel One. “The responsibility for the accident investigation rests with the State on whose territory the accident happened." Responding to a question on whether the IAC take part in the investigation of the tragedy, he explained that this "should be a decision on the formation of a commission to investigate the incident with the determination of all parties, states and international organizations," said the deputy head of the committee. "So far no such decision has been made.” rt.com/news/173628-malaysian-plane-crash-ukraine/
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Post by brillbilly on Jul 18, 2014 8:18:18 GMT 10
Hum? ?? MH17 :-Xthis plane was launched on 17/7/97 and 17 years later to the day it's life ends on 17/7
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Post by brillbilly on Jul 18, 2014 8:30:40 GMT 10
Just in! Groups that are fighting Kiev’s forces in eastern Ukraine have rejected any involvement in the incident, as there are reports that the plane was shot down. The Donetsk People’s Republic claims its self-defense forces simply don’t have such military equipment. Donetsk People's Republic PM Aleksandr Boroday has called the incident a “provocation by the Ukrainian military”. “We confirm that the plane crashed not far from Donetsk,” Boroday said. “Representatives of Donetsk People's Republic have headed to the scene of the plane search.” “Self-defense forces have no air-defense, which could target transport aircraft at that height,” he told Interfax. “We have only MANPADs (portable anti-aircraft missile complex) which hit targets at 3-4 kilometers,” Sergey Kavtaradze, representative for Donetsk People’s Republic PM, also told journalists. Russia’s military also says none of its military planes have been flying close to the Russia-Ukraine border on Thursday, RIA Novosti reported citing a military official. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has not ruled out that a Malaysian plane has been shot down. “We don’t rule out that this plane was shot down and stress that Ukrainian forces did not fulfill any actions targeting in the air,” Poroshenko said. He added that an investigation commission will be launched. At the same time, Anton Geraschenko said on his Facebook page that the plane was targeted from the air defense missile complex "Buk".
RIA Novosti is citing its source who said that Kiev indeed deployed “Buk” in the Donetsk region.
“According to the system of objective control, "Buk" division of the armed forces of Ukraine was relocated to Donetsk region on Wednesday. Now in Kharkov another division is being prepared,” the source said.
The sources stressed that aircraft flying at an altitude of over 10 kilometers can only be targeted by C-300 class weapons or ‘Buk”.rt.com/news/173616-malaysian-crash-ukraine-border/
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Post by theshee on Jul 18, 2014 8:39:09 GMT 10
It looks like it was shot down - A plane which crashed in eastern Ukraine with 295 people, including six Britons, on board was reportedly shot down as it flew near airspace deemed unsafe for passenger jets. Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, which was heading from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was travelling at an altitude of 33,000 feet (10,000 metres) when contact was lost. An adviser to the Ukrainian interior ministry told the Interfax news agency the Boeing 777 was brought down by a Buk ground-to-air missile, killing all 280 passengers and 15 crew members. The victims include six Britons, as well as 154 Dutch, 38 Malaysians and 27 Australians, with a number of Americans also feared dead. Plumes of thick, black smoke could be seen rising high into the air near the village of Grabovo, Donetsk. The plane, which one eyewitness said split in half on impact, is almost unrecognisable in pictures of the crash site, with burning wreckage scattered across a vast area. A spokesman for Malaysia Airlines, still reeling from the loss of flight MH370 in March, said the plane disappeared from radar as it flew over Ukrainian airspace. Officials in Kiev were quick to deny any involvement, with President Petro Poroshenko lamenting what he called an "act of terrorism". US Vice-President Joe Biden said the jet appeared to have been deliberately "blown out of the sky", with an unnamed US official blaming Ukrainian separatists backed by Russia in an interview with the Reuters news agency.
However, separatist leader Alexander Borodai said the aircraft was shot down by Ukrainian government forces - a claim backed by another separatist, who told Reuters the rebels do not have weapons capable of shooting down a plane at such height.
Sky's Katie Stallard, in Moscow, said Igor Strelkov, the commander of the pro-Russian Donetsk People's Republic, appeared to have boasted about the incident on social media.
In one deleted message recovered by Sky News, he allegedly wrote: "We warned you not to fly over our sky."
Ukraine's security service also released what it claimed was a recording of an intercepted phone call between two Russian military intelligence officers, discussing the downing of the plane.
Sky's Mark White, citing aviation sources, said the aircraft appeared to have been flying close to a block of airspace deemed "unsuitable for civilian aircraft".Air traffic controllers confirmed the plane was flying in open airspace but just 1,000 feet (300 metres) above a restricted zone. "It raises questions about why the plane was near an area it had been advised not to fly through," White said. "Did it stray into that area by accident or did the pilot decide it was a risk worth taking, perhaps as a fuel saving measure?" Stallard said the plane came down in an area that had seen heavy fighting in recent days, as tensions between Russia and Ukraine continue. Data from Flightradar24 indicates the plane, which took off from Schiphol airport at 12.15pm local time, had just passed the city of Kremenchuk, around 300km (186 miles) from the Russian border, when it disappeared. Russian President Vladimir Putin said the incident was "absolutely unacceptable" and an "awful tragedy", but added: "This would not have happened if there were peace on this land ... and, certainly, the state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility." Meanwhile, relatives of the victims of the MH370 tragedy also released a statement, saying: "Who would do such poisonous thing to a civil aeroplane? "Passengers on board are ordinary people, just like our relatives. Why let them experience the torture? Why let other people feel the same pain as we do?" The disaster is the latest in a line of reported attacks on planes in Ukrainian airspace and comes a day after one of the country's Sukhoi-25 fighter jets was shot down. link
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Post by theshee on Jul 18, 2014 8:40:28 GMT 10
This world is bloody frightening at the moment. Everyone hates each other and have a total disregard for human life.
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Post by brillbilly on Jul 18, 2014 9:29:53 GMT 10
This world is bloody frightening at the moment. Everyone hates each other and have a total disregard for human life. yeah shee,but what worries me is this could be the plan..PRS Problem-Reaction-Solution
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Post by brillbilly on Jul 22, 2014 22:21:34 GMT 10
Questions About the Passports [img src=" " alt=" "] It’s worth pointing some interesting anomalies surrounding Within hours of the incident, the first images broadcast over US and European broadcast networks, including reports our research team viewed from ABC and CNN, included shot of dozens of Passports being handled, presumably near the crash site, by an unknown man in front of a camera. Were these passports gathered from hundreds of charred, individual bodies, or was it something else? Observes may consider this as one smoking gun, albeit, without the smoke, or a even a scratch. Oddly, all the Passports appear in mint condition, including many contained in perfectly preserved plastic protectors – no damage, no scratches, none are deformed in any way. The first problem with this is that, clearly, a number of these Passports have been ‘hole-punched’, in the upper left-hand corner, and ‘clipped’ (triangular cut-out from right-hand center front cover) indicating that they are either expired, and are invalid for travel – making it impossible that any of these decommissioned passports could be used to travel internationally at the flight’s port of Departure in Amsterdam. Watch this video: The clip which ran across all US and western media outlets was only a partial clip, however, showing the passports to viewers in order to establish the human connection to the crash site. The full clip, which did not make it to US and world audiences show this pile of pristine passports being taken out of the rear trunk (or boot) of this man’s motor vehicle, suggesting that these items may have been planted at the scene, or used to fulfill a media image required to craft the early stages of this story. Watch the full clip here: 21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/21/mh17-are-pristine-and-expired-passports-a-smoking-gun-for-a-false-flag/ Some of them passports do indeed have punch marks? ? I find that well strange? ?
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Post by Wes Gear on Jul 22, 2014 22:36:36 GMT 10
As you know Brill, a passport can be on a plane that disintegrates as it collides with a building and still be found in good condition.
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Post by brillbilly on Jul 22, 2014 22:44:03 GMT 10
As you know Brill, a passport can be on a plane that disintegrates as it collides with a building and still be found in good condition. lol...innit! I just find it strange that some passports have punch marks which would render them Void?
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Post by theshee on Jul 23, 2014 8:02:50 GMT 10
I cant explain why some would have a cut out or punch marks, certainly weird. But what I can say about some of them being untouched is this, I was in a huge gas explosion when I was younger that totally destroyed the house and virtually everything in it. But you would be surprised the odd bit of stuff that was untouched, that was in pristine condition, despite being blown into the sky and a raging fire ablaze around them.
The crash site has that many people running through it, both the bodies and their possessions have been riffled through. I am dumbfounded at not only the locals behavior but also the media's at the way its been handled.
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