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Post by theshee on Jun 8, 2011 1:59:23 GMT 10
A midtown sinkhole snarled rush hour traffic Monday night on W. 57th Street between 8th and 9th Avenues - its second appearance in a year.
No one was injured when the near five-foot by three-foot hole appeared mid-block around 2 p.m., officials said.
The NYC Department of Environmental Protection, was on the scene, but could not explain the sinkhole. They said no leaks had been detected and promised to investigate the problem.
"Last year there was another hole that was much smaller in the same place," said the owner of West 57 Wine and Spirits across the street.
Shop owners said that bad weather and too much traffic are tearing up the city roads.
"The roads this year are much worse than last year, probably because of all the snow," said the owner of a luggage shop across the street.
Australian tourist Michael Atkins joined the crowd of people who stopped to snap photos at the scene.
"I've never seen anything like this in Australia, that's for sure," said Atkins.
Other pedestrians were less surprised.
"The city seems to be falling apart," said one passerby, who declined to give his name.
A recent Daily News investigation found that its taking city workers longer to fix potholes than a year ago as more and more open up.Read more: www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/06/07/2011-06-07_midtown_sinkhole_stops_rush_hour_traffic_baffles_investigators_.html#ixzz1Obf4AzbP
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Post by boxfree on Jun 8, 2011 2:18:01 GMT 10
There's more utility and transport tunnels under New York per sq/ft than anywhere on earth. I wonder why they are surprised? This usually occurs where there is old leaky steam lines and they find them when it's cold as you can see it rising up, but this could be sewer, potable water or even storm drain leakage undermining the earth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 13:36:21 GMT 10
I think whats under Paris may have New York beat on that front, the whole city is on one big catacomb, thats why they dont build skyscrapers in Paris, they would just drop through the ground.
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Post by brillbilly on Jun 10, 2011 7:56:07 GMT 10
I think whats under Paris may have New York beat on that front, the whole city is on one big catacomb, thats why they dont build skyscrapers in Paris, they would just drop through the ground. yeah daz,its a catacomb riddled place and on a gigantic size,thats for sure!
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Post by boxfree on Jun 10, 2011 10:50:29 GMT 10
Quick Glimpse Beneath My first search led me to a page by National Geographic [3] in which they displayed a artist depiction of the ground below the city, based on actual data. As in most cities in the world most of the basic utilities are found within the first layers of infrastructure below the surface. Gas , water , power, cable and steam are some of these basic utilities and the reason for them being underground has something to do with mayor Hugh J. Grant. Below that the subway tunnels and subways under which the sewage infrastructure resides. A whopping 800 feet (approximately 240 meters) below the surface one might still detect evidence of human presence because New York’s sandhogs are working on Water Tunnel No. 3 as I write this. Utilities Gas pipes were first laid on October 1824 [4], quite a while before even the sewers were introduced. New York’s foundation was still pure, waiting for the cities rapid development to act as a catalyst to its deflowering. In the late 1870s telephone lines became a common sight in the city of New York; power lines introduced roughly about the same time became part of that view. All these lines were — yes, you wouldn’t believe it — suspended above the streets forming a remarkable and chaotic maze of wires through the city [5]. Underground infrastructure was fairly scarce but it was soon to change. In the year 1888 a blizzard, wrecking a considerable part of the above-ground infrastructure, gave incentive to mayor Hugh J. Grant (as previously mentioned ) to order all basic utilities to be relocated to the New York’s realm beneath. The old age of the infrastructure indirectly means that it most likely wouldn’t always meet up to modern-engineering standards and norms. This was evident of the gas system when a steam-pipe ruptured on October 30th, 1989 near Gramercy Park. The pipes were insulated with amosite, a extreme lethal form of asbestos; but then again the lethal nature of asbestos was not really known to mankind at the time of the construction of the structures that used this mineral kingvidbina.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/underground-part-1-new-york/
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Post by theshee on Jun 10, 2011 18:53:49 GMT 10
Looking at that picture I bet every major city is the same.
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Post by brillbilly on Jun 10, 2011 22:46:00 GMT 10
great homework boxfree,i wonder if that diagram went deeper would it show DUMB's?
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Post by boxfree on Jun 11, 2011 10:10:10 GMT 10
great homework boxfree,i wonder if that diagram went deeper would it show DUMB's? I wouldn't think they'd install a DUMB's facility just off the coast, for possible flooding reasons but what do I know.... ;D I saw a documentary last year on these underground utilities in New York but I be damned If I can remember the title or find it.
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Post by Drextin on Jun 11, 2011 11:44:07 GMT 10
No bunkers in NY. Those would start on the outskirts of DC near national parks. It's a central enough of a location that all those important enough could reach one in less than hour no matter where they are on the east coast.
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