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Post by alienbeing on Apr 27, 2010 22:49:36 GMT 10
'Noah's Ark' remains discovered 12,000ft up a Turkish mountain, A group of explorers claim to have found the remains of Noah's Ark. The discovery was made 12,000ft up a Turkish mountain and comes 4,800 years after the vessel was said to be afloat. The Chinese and Turkish evangelicals said specimen samples taken from the structure on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey underwent carbon testing, which linked them to the time period. A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers from Noah's Ark Ministries International claim to have found the ark, 4,000 metres up a Turkish mountainThe snow-capped peak of Mt. Ararat. The discovery was made 12,000ft up the mountain which lies in Turkey
The team made the announcement of their find yesterday - the same day the Bible says the flood waters abated and the ark came to rest. Yeung Wing-cheung, a Hong Kong documentary filmmaker and member of the 15-strong team from Noah's Ark Ministries International, said: 'It's not 100 per cent that it is Noah's Ark but we think it is 99.9 per cent that this is it.' He said the structure had several compartments, some with wooden beams, which were believed to house animals. This shows racks found on a wall inside a compartment of a structure found on Mount Ararat, where the Bible says the Ark came to restIn 2006, U.S. national security analyst Porcher Taylor claimed this satellite image revealed a baffling 'anomaly' on the mountain's north-west corner that he believed to be the remains of the ArkThe group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds that one had never been found above 3500m in the vicinity. Local Turkish officials will ask the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected and pave the way for a major archaeological dig. The biblical story says God decided to flood the earth after seeing how corrupt it had become, and told Noah to build an ark and fill it with two of every animal species. After the flood waters receded, the Bible says, the ark came to rest on a mountain. Many believe that Mount Ararat, the highest point in the region, is where the ark and her inhabitants came aground. It had several compartments and some were fitted with wooden beamswww.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1269165/Noahs-Ark-discovered-4-800-years--4-000m-mountain-Turkey.htmlwww.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2949640/Noahs-Ark-found-in-Turkey.html
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Post by brillbilly on Apr 28, 2010 0:53:46 GMT 10
bloody good find but dont you think it looks too new? for 4,800 years old
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Post by alienbeing on Apr 28, 2010 1:08:40 GMT 10
i agree. you would think the wood would be rotten & crumbling it looks in prety good shape
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Post by brillbilly on Apr 28, 2010 1:32:56 GMT 10
its still a great post mate,we will have to see if anything come out in the near future keep watching this space
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Post by shatnerswig on Apr 28, 2010 10:03:47 GMT 10
well this is pretty amazing if its real .. as for the wood rotting ... the question would be how long has it been encased in the ice? the climate at lower elevations are arrid .. at least in modern times so decay would have slowed plus the ice ..... could be ... very old
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Post by shatnerswig on Apr 28, 2010 10:04:19 GMT 10
From the Armenian plateau, Mt. Ararat rises, graceful and solitary far into the region of perennial snow. The climate of the whole district is very severe. The snow line, however, is not reached before a height of 14,000 feet. Rainfall is slight in the area, and the lower levels of the Massis (which Mt. Ararat is also called) are affected by an upward rush of dry air from the plain of the Aras. There are glittering fields of unbroken glaciers on the northern and on the western slopes of Great Ararat. The only true glacier occurs on the northeastern side at the bottom of a large chasm that runs into the heart of the mountain. The middle zone of Mt. Ararat, from 5,000 to 11,500 feet, is covered with good pasture. The upper and lower zones are for the most part sterile. Most of Great Ararat is destitute of trees, but Little Ararat is clothed with birches.
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Post by shatnerswig on Apr 28, 2010 10:07:16 GMT 10
i would say see if there is climate data for the region that goes back a few thousand years .... obviously we wouldn t have like moden day weather reports but more like a foensic weather history for lack of a better term ... maybe someone researched this data and its on the web somewhere
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Post by brillbilly on Apr 29, 2010 7:56:46 GMT 10
yeah,im just looking at this.... [from 5,000 to 11,500 feet, its covered with good pasture. The upper and lower zones are for the most part sterile. Most of Great Ararat is destitute of trees] now they say they have found the ark 500ft higher at 12,000ft but The snow line, however, is not reached before a height of 14,000 feet now thats 2,000 ft higher so this could imply that its not covered over with snow for the most part?
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Post by brillbilly on Apr 29, 2010 23:32:58 GMT 10
i found this today guys Fortunately, not all scholars and experts are so quick to board the ship, as MSNBC relates: But researchers who have spent decades studying the region – and fending off past claims of ark discoveries – caution that a boatload of skepticism is in order. In this regard, one professional scholar did not mince words, as also reported by MSNBC: Cornell archaeologist Peter Ian Kuniholm, who has focused on Turkey for decades, was even more direct - saying that the reported find is a "crock." Noted skeptical biologist Dr. P.Z. Myers was equally pointed in his dismissal of the "discovery": Ho hum. I'm getting lots of mail about this ridiculous story on WND [World Net Daily] and Fox claiming that Noah's Ark has been discovered atop Mt Ararat. No, it hasn't. This is yet another mob of incompetent evangelicals hiking all over a big hill in Turkey and credulously interpreting every rock formation and every chunk of wood as proof that they've found a big boat. The "science" is further called into question, as, naturally, there is no geological evidence at all that Mt. Ararat was underwater at the time. As MSNBC likewise discussed: Even if you assume the explorers found what they say they found, linking the discovery to Noah's Ark requires lots of leaps of faith: Is the carbon dating accurate? Cornell's Kuniholm said he would like to know who did the dating, especially considering that previous tests reportedly came up with more recent dates. Is it more plausible that the structure is from a miraculous ark, or from an ancient shelter on the mountainside? Is there any evidence of a catastrophic flood that rose to near the top of Ararat 4,800 years ago? "We know what's going on with Turkey archaeologically at that time, and there's no major interruption in the culture," Zimansky observed. "There's not enough H2O in the world to get an ark that high up a mountain," Kuniholm said. Concerning this structure, ABC News relates that George Washington University professor Eric Cline "suggested it could even be a very old shepherd's hut." Cline also pointed out that the "wood should just have disintegrated" long ago. He further evinced that "it's reasonable that [Noah] would have dismantled his ship to use the wood for shelter" and that " nstead of Noah's Ark, I would be looking for Noah's first house or something like that."
Indeed, how many "large structures" made of wood have survived largely intact for almost 5,000 years? It would seem that this one - if indeed that old - must be Noah's Ark, because it surely has been supernaturally preserved!
Meanwhile, the edge of the wood in some of the images released by NAMI looks as if it had just been hewn not long ago. In this regard, a carpenter on Myers's blog comments:
The wood shown appears to be relatively recently milled and joined. The planks and beams do not exhibit the type of drying and shrinkage that occurs to wood over time, regardless of being in a deep freeze.
The surface of the wood doesn't show the different shrinkage rates of hard and soft grain. Most noticeably the joint lines cannot be millennia old and still be as close as the photos show.
It is further claimed that this structure must be very old because it uses wooden pegs rather than nails in its construction. However, it is possible that its builders didn't have metal nails, and this sort of construction still occurs in many parts of the world. Moreover, the fact that the carbon dating was allegedly done in Iran also does not inspire confidence. China, Turkey and Iran make an interesting combo in any event...
Even enthusiastic bibliolater scholars are unconvinced, such as Liberty University archaeologist Dr. Randall Price, a veteran ark hunter, who was involved at one point in this particular "discovery" but who denies it has anything to do with The Real Noah's Ark™. Said Price:
I was the archaeologist with the Chinese expedition in the summer of 2008 and was given photos of what they now are reporting to be the inside of the Ark. I and my partners invested $100,000 in this expedition (described below) which they have retained, despite their promise and our requests to return it, since it was not used for the expedition. The information given below is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard (from others who claim to have been eyewitnesses or know the exact details).
To make a long story short: this is all reported to be a fake. The photos were reputed to have been taken off site near the Black Sea, but the film footage the Chinese now have was shot on location on Mt. Ararat. In the late summer of 2008 ten Kurdish workers hired by Parasut, the guide used by the Chinese, are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. In the winter of 2008 a Chinese climber taken by Parasut's men to the site saw the wood, but couldn't get inside because of the severe weather conditions. During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film. As I said, I have the photos of the inside of the so-called Ark (that show cobwebs in the corners of rafters - something just not possible in these conditions) and our Kurdish partner in Dogubabyazit [stet] (the village at the foot of Mt. Ararat) has all of the facts about the location, the men who planted the wood, and even the truck that transported it.
So, there we have it. As to the motive of this evident fake clearly eludicated in Price's remarks, Myers concludes:
You can hardly blame the Turks around Ararat. There's a lot of money being poured into the local economy from these numerous creationist expeditions. It only makes sense to salt a few sites with chunks of wood.
It would otherwise be curious why the Chinese would be so interested in proving Middle Eastern myths - the only other way such a thing could occur is because of religious conditioning, plain and simple. Large swatches of people in practically every nation have now been indoctrinated to believe that the megalomaniacal writings of one particular "chosen people" represent "God's Word." To a person educated about the world's various cultures dating back thousands of years, such a view is not only unscientific but also a result of cultural bias.
Meanwhile, this latest ark find is clearly a hoax - as they will all turn out to be, because the story of Noah's Ark is a myth based upon other myths that constitute nature worship and astrotheological knowledge dating back thousands of years.
D.M. Murdock is the author of controversial books and articles on comparative religion and mythology that can be found at Stellar House Publishing and Freethought Nation. For more articles from the Freethought Examiner, be sure to subscribe!
Sources & Further Reading
New Evidence Emerges in the Search for Noah's Ark Has Noah's Ark Been Found on Turkish Mountaintop? Finding Noah's Ark Evangelists claim Noah's Ark found Flood of claims for 'Noah's Ark' Noah's Ark found? Not so fast Randall-Price, noted Ark-Hunter, says latest find is fake Latest Ark finding is a fake If Fox News and Wing Nut Daily say it's true, it must be so The Myth of Noah's Ark www.examiner.com/examiner/x-17009-Freethought-Examiner~y2010m4d28-The-Great-Noahs-Ark-Hoax
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Post by shatnerswig on Apr 30, 2010 11:06:28 GMT 10
====="Archaeologists in Egypt have excavated a 5,000-year-old wooden hull that is the earliest surviving example of example of a “built” boat =====wood can survive for long periods of time this is a fact i dunno what these people found but its obvious that the "expert" in the above article is an idiot
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