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Post by Wes Gear on Jan 22, 2010 18:57:54 GMT 10
one of my real headaches is the haarp conspiracy stories. everyone listens to the conspiracy guys spouting off about it but no one ever thinks to check the official sites and information because hey its all lies........right? well sometimes this can make a fool of you if not careful.
first off.............haarp is not a classified project. unlike the many videos you have seen where people have tried to get into the haarp facility and been ran off the facility is not off limits. they hold an annual open house complete with tours of all the equipment.
haarp is not hidden in alaska. their address and coordinates are public..
The facility is located at:
62 deg 23.5 min North Latitude 145 deg 8.8 min West Longitude
there are no visitor centers since their budget doesn't cover the expense.......but due to the recent interest in facility and the lies being told congress has been given a budget to approve that will give access to the facility on a daily basis.
if people would just stop and take a moment to realize that not every project is a conspiracy perhaps the real mysteries could get the attention they need. far too many times you find that people are not looking for the truth they are looking for something they want to be true because it fits into their own little theories about what they believe is going on in the world.
haarp is not responsible for weather, earthquakes or strange lights in the sky. its not a military base or even a military project. its a research facility that has been around since 1990.
its a shame that all over the internet these conspiracy sites and those claiming to expose the truth are actually ran by liars with an agenda...........but if you come to grips with this you might just find that when all the bullshit is cleared away there are still many unanswered questions about other things and guess what? they are real and not part of someone's overactive imagination.
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Post by shatnerswig on Jan 22, 2010 19:44:42 GMT 10
look I d like to believe you but the secret government mind control device implanted in me onmy 3rd grade class trip to the franklin institute won t allow it
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Post by Wes Gear on Jan 22, 2010 20:01:23 GMT 10
its ok........the implant the cia gave me shorted out twice before they gave me one that worked. its fun being controlled by the cia. you get to travel and kill important people and spread disinformation like wildfire. my cia contact just sent me a ticket to australia and my targets initials are DM. the target is a drunk listens to punk music and has a fear of zombies. i might get darryl to help me find him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 22:00:27 GMT 10
No worries man, I will find you someone to kill, its what I do best.
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Post by Wes on Jan 23, 2010 1:08:26 GMT 10
What Is HAARP?The High frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is a program focused on the study of upper atmospheric and solar-terrestrial physics and Radio Science. The HAARP program operates a major Arctic ionosphere research facility on an Air Force owned site near Gakona, Alaska. Principal instruments installed at the HAARP Research Station include a high power, high-frequency (HF) phased array radio transmitter (known as the Ionosphere Research Instrument (IRI), used to stimulate small, well-defined volumes of ionosphere, and a large and diversified suite of modern geophysical research instruments including an HF ionosonde, ELF and VLF receivers, magnetometers, riometers, a UHF diagnostic radar and optical and infrared spectrometers and cameras which are used to observe the complex natural variations of Alaska's ionosphere as well as to detect artificial effects produced by the IRI. Future plans include completion of the UHF radar to allow measurement of electron densities, electron and ion temperatures, and Doppler velocities in the stimulated region and in the natural ionosphere using incoherent scatter techniques. Who Built HAARP?Technical expertise and procurement services as required for the management, administration and evaluation of the program are being provided cooperatively by the Air Force (Air Force Research Laboratory), the Navy (Office of Naval Research and Naval Research Laboratory), and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. Since the HAARP facility consists of many individual items of scientific equipment, both large and small, there is a considerable list of commercial, academic and government organizations which are contributing to the building of the facility by developing scientific diagnostic instrumentation and by providing guidance in the specification, design and development of the IRI. BAE Advanced Technologies (BAEAT) is the prime contractor for the design and construction of the IRI. Other organizations which have contributed to the program include the University of Alaska, Stanford University, Cornell University, University of Massachusetts, UCLA, MIT, Dartmouth University, Clemson University, Penn State University, University of Tulsa, University of Maryland, SRI International, Northwest Research Associates, Inc., and Geospace, Inc. Why is the DoD Involved?The Department of Defense (DoD) conducts Arctic research to ensure the development of the knowledge, understanding and capability to meet national defense needs in the Arctic. Interest in ionosphere research at HAARP stems both from the large number of communication, surveillance and navigation systems that have radio paths which pass through the ionosphere, and from the unexplored potential of technological innovations which suggest applications such as detecting underground objects, communicating to great depths in the sea or earth, and generating infrared and optical emissions. Expanding our knowledge about the interactions of signals passing through or reflecting from the ionosphere can help to solve future problems in the development of DoD systems, and could as well enhance the utilization of commercial systems which rely on the expedient transfer of real-time communications. What is the IRI and what does it transmit?Basically, the IRI is what is known as a phased array transmitter. It is designed to transmit a narrow beam of high power radio signals in the 2.8 to 10 MHz frequency range. Its antenna is built on a gravel pad having dimensions of 1000' x 1200' (about 33 acres). There are 180 towers, 72' in height mounted on thermopiles spaced 80' apart in a 12 x 15 rectangular grid. Each tower supports near its top, two pairs of crossed dipole antennas, one for the low band (2.8 to 8.3 MHz), the other for the high band (7 to 10 MHz). The antenna system is surrounded by an exclusion fence to prevent possible damage to the antenna towers or harm to large animals. An elevated ground screen, attached to the towers at the 15' level, acts as a reflector for the antenna array while allowing vehicular access underneath to 30 environmentally-controlled transmitter shelters spaced throughout the array. Each shelter contains 6 pairs of 10 kW transmitters, for a total of 6 x 30 x 2 x 10 kW = 3600 kW available for transmission. The transmitters can be switched to drive either the low or high band antennas. Electric prime power is provided from an on-site power plant housing five, 2500 kW generators, each driven by a 3600 hp diesel engine. Four generators are required for operation of the IRI and the fifth is held as a spare. From a control room within the Operations Center, the transmission from each of the 180 crossed-dipole antennas is adjusted in a precise manner under computer control. In this manner, the complete array of antennas forms a narrow antenna pattern pointed upward toward the ionosphere. The transmitted signal diverges (spreads out) as it travels upward and is partially absorbed, at an altitude which depends on the transmitted HF frequency, in a small volume several tens of miles in diameter and a few hundred meters thick directly over the facility. The remainder of the transmitted signal either reflects back toward the earth or passes through the ionosphere into space, continuing to diverge as it does so. By the time it reaches the ionosphere, the intensity of the HF signal is less than 3 microwatts (0.000003 watt) per cm2, thousands of times less than the Sun's natural electromagnetic radiation reaching the earth and hundreds of times less, even, than the variations in intensity of the Sun's natural ultraviolet (UV) energy which creates the ionosphere. www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/factSheet.html
But on the other hand some think that Haarp is more than a research facility. Officially, HAARP is a research station directed by the Air Force Research Laboratory's Space Vehicles Directorate in Gokona, Alaska, that opened in 1992 to gather data about the atmosphere and "radio propagation conditions." Their web site (www.haarp.alaska.edu) states that they are monitoring and archiving the naturally occurring variations with the sun's activities such as sunspots and solar flares.
HAARP constitutes a system of powerful antennas capable of creating "controlled local modifications of the ionosphere." However, there seems to be much more going on behind HAARP's public face. THE IDEA FOR HAARP BASED ON TESLA TECHNOLOGY.HAARP is based on physicist Bernard J. Eastlund's U.S. Patent from 1987 titled "Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, Ionosphere, and/or Magnetosphere" (US #4,686,605). Eastlund's patent is based, in part, on the works of Nikola Tesla, who first suggested that RF could transmit approximately one watt per cubic centimeter to any point on the planet without the use of wires. Thus, power can generated on the ground and then sent through the air to the upper areas of the atmosphere miles above the surface of the planet.
Eastlund explained in his patent application that by influencing the ionosphere, methods of communication disruption, missile shielding and weather modification are possible. His second patent described the reflection of a second signal, using a previously "heated" ionospheric bulge, to distant locations on the Earth's surface.
Because Eastlund's "heaters" could elevate the Earth's ionosphere, his discovery provided the ability to control weather by altering upper atmosphere wind patterns. This is done by focusing high frequency radio transmissions on the ionosphere, lifting and heating it in localized areas which then alters wind patterns and ultimately weather conditions.
Unfortunately, the military had purchased Eastlund's two patents from ARCO and had given them to Raytheon, a military contractor. So there would be no civilian use for this new technology. WHAT HAARP COULD BE USED FOR.Today, HAARP has 48 antennas that can broadcast up to 960 kW of power, and plans to expand to 180 antennas and 3.6 megawatts of power by 2006. Even that is short of the thousands of antennas and hundreds of megawatts of power that Eastlund figures would be needed to control the weather or act as an effective missile shield. However, even at 3.6 megawatts, significant weather control experiments could be performed. In fact, radio operators who routinely monitor HAARP transmissions have noted an increase in RF output from the station right before hurricanes Katrina and Rita grew into dangerous storms. Though there is no proof that the ferocity of these recent hurricanes are the result of climatic tampering by the HAARP administration, Phillips Geophysics Lab, which is a partner in the HAARP project, contemplates the triggering of storms and hurricanes for military use in a course for military personnel at MD's Hanscom Air Force Base, on weather modification techniques. THE ALASKAN DEATH RAY.It has been alleged that the HAARP facility, located near Gokona, Alaska, is not the "real" HAARP project, and that the actual HAARP is conducting experiments that seem beyond the realm of possibility. Writer Dan Eden, of the Viewzone website, recently revealed that in 1998 he was shown a secret HAARP facility near Fairbanks, Alaska.
Eden was invited to come to Alaska by two men, Dave and Jonas, who had been recently discharged from the Navy. Eden was taken by his hosts to a small Alaskan town called Fox. From there they took snowmobiles east along the Chatinaka River where they encountered military "Restricted Area" signs. From the vantage point on top of a ridge, Eden was shown an enormous area below them that was covered with rows and rows of metal poles - antennae and small silver rectangular sheds where black cables originated. The entire area was at least a mile square and the number of antennae must have been in the thousands.
Eden was told that this was a phased array, and that this was a type of antenna where the signal being sent out could be focused to a very narrow beam - like a laser - and that it was capable of emitting a signal that was billions of watts in power.
At one point Eden questioned why an antenna system would be buried between such high ridges. "Wouldn't that interfere with the signal?"
"Not if you're sending it straight up," he was told. They explained that this energy was used to heat a layer of the atmosphere, to cause it to bend and thicken, and that it would then be ready for the "death ray."
Eastlund's discovery had been taken by the military during the cold war era because it allowed microwave signals to be sent and received beyond the horizon. This fact alone allowed them to prevent its development in any humane or commercial application since it would then be available to enemy nations. But once the heater had created a sort of lens in the ionosphere, you did not have to limit your signal to radar or microwaves. Eastlund had developed the ability to send massive bursts of power - in the billions of watts range - and these could now be zapped to just about any point of the Earth.
"HAARP in Gakona, about 300 miles south of here, that's a fake decoy for the public. Everyone knows about that," Dave told Eden. "They even have a web site with one of those instant cam things and a few dozen antennae. That's just a thing for show so they can say that it's all harmless and open." The two men explained that they had worked at the secret HAARP, Dave was in the 'com'- the command center of the heater. He worked with the primary transmitter or generator. Jonas said that he mainly worked on the feeder lines on the antenna farm. The two were both there when they "bumped the power up to the max and let it blow," from thousands of watts to billions.
"They never used that much power before so they just did it to see what would happen," Jonas said. "And when they did it kind of multiplied the power and then a huge chunk of Earth's atmosphere blew away, out into space. STRANGE WEATHER.Several years later, in 1999, Dan Eden received e-mails from a reader in Serbia, where the UN forces had been fighting Melosovich, mostly with American armed forces and equipment. The e-mails mentioned a strange phenomenon that accompanied attacks by the U.S. A-10, "warthog" fighter jet. It was reported that, just prior to an air attack, the sky often filled with huge black clouds that would materialized out of nowhere, and stayed until the end of the campaign -- which was usually couple of weeks. However, instead of rain, falling on Belgrade, there were hailstones the size of eggs.
"You can still see the marks it left on houses." During that time witnesses described strange "lighting" in the sky that lasted for hours which didn't look like anything anybody had ever seen before. The "thunder" that accompanied the strange "lightning" was equally strange. It was hundreds of times stronger than any thunder anybody ever remembered. It was so loud that it was even louder then the sound of bomb explosions.
As well, scientists in Serbia released a report that stated that the electromagnetic field over Serbia was punctured. The "hole" was almost the size of Serbia itself and it started at the border, between Kosovo and Albania in the south, and ended near the Yugoslav and Hungarian border in the north.
There are also reports of bizarre weather over Iraq during the U.S. invasion in 2004. It seems obvious that HAARP is being used to manipulate the weather all over the planet. The Washington Post reported that a growing number of physicists and others in the scientific community are becoming increasingly worried.
A "small group of American physicists, some of whom have aired complaints in scientific journals, fear HAARP may not simply be the simple research experiment that advocates describe, but possibly phase one of a secret U.S. military program that could be seeking ways to blow other countries' spacecraft out of the sky or disrupt communications over large portions of the planet."
Richard Williams, a physicist and consultant to the David Sarnoff laboratory in Princeton alleges HAARP constitutes "an irresponsible act of global vandalism." He and others fear a secret second stage where HAARP would "beam much more energy into the ionosphere. That could produce a severe disruption of the upper atmosphere at one location that may produce effects that spread rapidly around the Earth for years."
Documents acquired from the Office of Naval Research via the Freedom Of Information Act reveal a more ominous purpose for HAARP. According to these documents, the U.S. military believes the former Soviet Union has similar heaters with which they claim to have achieved higher levels of ionospheric reaction than possible so far in the "West". www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://uforeview.tripod.com/cjimages/haarp2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://uforeview.tripod.com/haarp.html&h=343&w=506&sz=35&tbnid=ncZYdcimwxPPBM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=131&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhaarp&usg=__MzGTHObQ3MF0YHaOeS8kzOOdG7o=&ei=NLJZS6ufIouysgO_2eDOBA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=8&ct=image&ved=0CCAQ9QEwBw
Looks like Australia is getting its own Haarp to make rain. Govt defends $10m grant for untested rain-making technology.This is a transcript from The World Today. ELEANOR HALL: The Federal Government is defending its decision to award $10-million to a company to trial rain-making technology.
The Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull has announced the grant to the Australian Rain Corporation, a company part-owned by Rupert Murdoch's nephew, Matt Handbury.
But researchers commissioned by the National Water Commission to investigate the technology have questioned whether the $10-million grant should have been awarded now, saying a more careful evaluation of the science is needed first.
Mr Handbury himself agrees the science is in no way conclusive, but denies his family connections have helped him secure the federal money.
Tanya Nolan has our report.
TANYA NOLAN: It's a technique developed in Russia in the last decade, and it involves sending electrical charges into the atmosphere to make clouds and ultimately rain.
But the problem with it, says Neville Fletcher, a visiting fellow at ANU and emeritus professor of physics at the University of New England, is that it hasn't ever been examined in a thorough scientific way, nor has it been peer reviewed.
The report warned the commission not to go ahead with any trials of the technology until the science behind it could be more thoroughly tested. But it did say that if it could be done "at no great expense" a trial could be "worthwhile".
The report was produced after a small-scale trial of the technology was conducted in May in conjunction with the University of Queensland, which concluded there was an increase in rainfall at the time and recommended more scientific testing be done.
Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull has now awarded $10-million to the Australian Rain Corporation, which owns the technology, to conduct a full scientific trial of it.
MALCOLM TURNBULL: The report commissioned by the National Water Commission recommended a further scientific trial. The University of Queensland went a lot further than that and recommended a very substantial long-term operational trial as well, which would have cost a great deal more than $10-million.
What I've endeavoured to do is to ensure that we do, we have both a meaningful operational trial and a scientific assessment so that we can investigate this technology in a timely fashion.
TANYA NOLAN: You're name has come up in connection with your uncle, Rupert Murdoch, as possibly a reason why you might be getting all this money at once without the rigorous scientific testing?
MATT HANDBURY: Oh, I haven't heard that Tanya. I think I don't seem to be able to get my name in the paper without my family connections, which I'm proud of and delighted in, but I don't see how… Rupert's aware of this, he's pretty interested in the environment and climate change at the moment, and very interested, but he has no direct involvement, and…
TANYA NOLAN: You don't think your family connection may have precipitated this $10-million windfall for your technology?
MATT HANDBURY: Not in the slightest. I think that… not in the slightest, I can't see the connection.
ELEANOR HALL: The chairman of the Australian Rain Corporation, also the nephew of Rupert Murdoch, Matt Handbury, speaking to Tanya Nolan www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2007/s2069159.htm
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Post by brillbilly on Jan 23, 2010 1:57:29 GMT 10
sometimes the best place to hide things is in the open if you ask me lol
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Post by dboyseeker on Jan 23, 2010 1:58:25 GMT 10
nice posting wesley. Well worth storing that page as a sorta icing on the cake
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Post by Wes Gear on Jan 23, 2010 2:16:27 GMT 10
wes most of that info is incorrect. sorry buddy. if you read carefully through it all you will see speculation and outright lies mixed with elements of truth. classic conspiracy ploy.
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Post by theshee on Jan 23, 2010 3:00:22 GMT 10
Love that quote. Nice post.
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Post by Wes on Jan 23, 2010 3:16:22 GMT 10
wes most of that info is incorrect. sorry buddy. if you read carefully through it all you will see speculation and outright lies mixed with elements of truth. classic conspiracy ploy. Yeah Drex that was what I was trying to compare; the view from an edu site and views from sites leaning towards the conspiracy side.
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