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Post by Wes Gear on Jul 22, 2014 22:42:05 GMT 10
Maybe the water in it,is just the height of the water table wes.!
Implying that is fresh? Yeah I think that the water would be at water table level, unless it has had enough time for rain to fill it up. It seems to be lower than others around it, so we know it must be younger than the others.
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Post by theshee on Jul 23, 2014 8:37:21 GMT 10
I also think it looks quite fresh too, it doesn't look two years old.
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Post by brillbilly on Jul 25, 2014 3:24:44 GMT 10
I also think it looks quite fresh too, it doesn't look two years old. Me too shee
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Post by Wes Gear on Jul 27, 2014 3:54:02 GMT 10
Second 'Black Hole' Is Found in SiberiaIt appears that gaping hole discovered deep in Siberia isn't the only one: Locals have encountered a second crater, smaller but otherwise almost exactly like the first. Local official Mikhail Lapsui told the Interfax-Ural news agency that reindeer herders in the Yamal region ("Yamal" means "End of the World" in the local tongue) found the second hole about 55 miles from the village of Antipayuta. "Inside the crater itself, snow can be seen," Lapsui is quoted as saying. No pictures or video of the second hole have been made available. link
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Post by Wes Gear on Jul 31, 2014 4:05:06 GMT 10
Two more mysterious craters appear at 'the end of the world' in SiberiaIn a chaotic world of downed planes, ethnic unrest and missile strikes, international observers settled their attention elsewhere earlier this month. They looked north to Siberia, a land covered in snow and layered in permafrost, where a strange and giant crater had just ripped open the earth. At the time, no one knew where exactly the crater had come from, what was at its bottom, or how it had come to be. There are sure to be even more questions now. Two new craters have emerged in Siberia, deepening the giant hole saga. Though not as big as the first crater, which extended hundreds of feet in diameter, these new craters are just as strange. One of the newly-discovered holes is near the original — in a land referred to by locals as “the end of the world”. It’s around 14 metres in diameter and formed under unknown conditions. Same goes for the other new crater, which has a diameter of 4 metres, a depth of between 61 and 100 metres and was discovered by “mystified” herders near the village of Nosok in the icy Krasnoyarsk region. Advertisement “It is not like this is the work of men,” one expert explained to the Siberian Times, which has been hot on the giant crater story from the get-go. “But [it] also doesn’t look like natural formation.” Even politicians have been drawn by the brouhaha. “I flew by helicopter to inspect this funnel on July 19,” local lawmaker Mikhail Lapsui told the Siberian Times, saying it looks much like the original crater, only smaller, with a small ice lake at its base. “There is also ground outside, as if it was thrown as a result of an underground explosion.” Locals can’t seem to get their stories straight over what happened, he explained. “According to local residents, the hole formed on September 27, 2013. Observers give several versions. According to the first, initially the place was smoking and then there was a bright flash. In the second version, a celestial body fell there.” A bright flash? A “celestial” body? Can science help out this mess? “Undoubtedly, we need to study all such formations,” Marina Leibman, the chief scientist of the Earth Cryosphere Institute, told URA.RU. “It is necessary to be able to predict their occurrence. Each new funnel provides additional information for scientists.” There’s been no shortage of theories. Hypotheses have ranged from asteroids to an underground missile explosion to global warming, a melt of the permafrost. Scientist Anna Kurchatova, in an interview with the Siberian Times, suggested that melting could produce an effect similar to a champagne bottle when the cork pops, except on a giant scale. Studies have indeed shown that the Arctic is heating up. Grist reports one paper in the Geophysical Research Papers suggests that the region hasn’t been so hot in the last 120,000 years. Still, even with more information than before on the Arctic region, it remains so distant a land that it can be difficult to get a good read on it. “For that reason, the Arctic continually surprises scientists,” writes Slate’s Eric Holthaus. “Just like last week.” Read more: www.smh.com.au/world/two-more-mysterious-craters-appear-at-the-end-of-the-world-in-siberia-20140729-zyba9.html#ixzz38yaTvBQH
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Post by brillbilly on Jul 31, 2014 5:24:45 GMT 10
I hope to the Gods this is not methane,coz if it is then the world has had it!
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Post by Wes Gear on Jul 31, 2014 5:44:07 GMT 10
So Brill they are saying that the First hole, the bigger one is less than a year old. Could end up with a new lake if there are any more.
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Post by theshee on Jul 31, 2014 7:56:35 GMT 10
When you look at this area on Google Earth all the crater/holes seem to be filled with water. I am wondering how long it takes for these holes to fill with water, as that would give some idea of the age of this one. There is still 70 meters of hole to fill with water. We may just have to wait for Satellite photos to give us the answer. The crater, which is 70 meters deep, has an icy lake at its bottom. Photo by Andrey-Naumenko via Siberian Times. Just noticed this... you can see a cave to the right just before where the water is.
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Post by brillbilly on Jul 31, 2014 8:32:38 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 7:03:14 GMT 10
Massive mystery holes appear in Siberian tundra — and could be linked to climate change By Katie Hunt, CNN
Fri September 4, 2020 In August 2020, the RAS Institute of Oil and Gas Problems, supported by the local Yamal authorities, conducted a major expedition to the new crater. Skoltech researchers were part of the final stages of that expedition. Credit: Evgeny Chuvilin (CNN)A Russian TV crew flying over the Siberian tundra this summer spotted a massive crater 30 meters (100 feet) deep and 20 meters wide -- striking in its size, symmetry and the explosive force of nature that it must have taken to have created it.
Scientists are not sure exactly how the huge hole, which is at least the ninth spotted in the region since 2013, formed. Initial theories floated when the first crater was discovered near an oil and gas field in the Yamal Peninsula in northwest Siberia included a meteorite impact, a UFO landing and the collapse of a secret underground military storage facility.
While scientists now believe the giant hole is linked to an explosive buildup of methane gas -- which could be an unsettling result of warming temperatures in the region -- there is still a lot the researchers don't know. An aerial view of the newest crater that appeared this year. It's one of the largest that has appeared so far. In August 2020, the RAS Institute of Oil and Gas Problems, supported by the local Yamal authorities, conducted a major expedition to the new crater. Skoltech researchers were part of the final stages of that expedition. Credit: Evgeny Chuvilin "Right now, there is no single accepted theory on how these complex phenomena are formed," said Evgeny Chuvilin, lead research scientist at the Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology's Center for Hydrocarbon Recovery, who has visited the site of the newest crater to study its features.
"It is possible they have been forming for years, but it is hard to estimate the numbers. Since craters usually appear in uninhabited and largely pristine areas of the Arctic, there is often no one to see and report them," Chuvilin said.
"Even now, craters are mostly found by accident during routine, non-scientific helicopter flights or by reindeer herders and hunters."
Permafrost, which amounts to two-thirds of the Russian territory, is a huge natural reservoir of methane, a potent greenhouse gas, and recent hot summers, including in 2020, in the region may have played a role in creating these craters. The Yamal Crater was the first of these massive holes to be discovered in the region. It was first spotted in 2013 but grabbed headlines in 2014. Mining a mystery
Chuvilin and his team are among the few scientists who have been down inside one of these craters to investigate how it formed and where the gas that causes them comes from. Accessing the craters has to be done with climbing gear and there is a limited window -- the craters turn into lakes within two years of being formed.
The scientists took samples of permafrost soil, ground and ice from the rim of a hole -- known as the Erkuta crater -- during a field trip in 2017 after it was discovered by biologists who were in the area observing falcon nesting. The researchers conducted drone observations six months later.
"The main issue with these craters is how incredibly fast, geologically, they form and how short-lived they are before they turn into lakes," Chuvilin said. "Finding one in the remote Arctic is always a stroke of luck for scientists." A researcher climbs down the Erkuta crater. An aerial view taken from a helicopter on August 25, 2014, shows a crater on the Yamal Peninsula, northern Siberia. It was the first to be discovered in 2013. FULL ARTICLE, LINKS & VIDEO @ CNN.COM www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/world/craters-tundra-siberia-trnd-scn/index.html
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