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Post by saffire on Oct 10, 2009 9:53:45 GMT 10
Hi fellow members and friends..........
There is something that has been eating at me and I want to address it...
I am guilty of the very thing I am about to call out.........When I want/need backup I am tickled to death that I know I have got this membership to come out if needed........and I will continue to do the same......
BUT.........I don't want to be a blind follower and if I don't agree with something.....or want to back someone that OCB has put on the hit list ......then I don't expect repercussions from this group.
What I am saying........and I will use Spock's banning as an example....I wrote in a post
"I back Drex and am sure he did this for a good reason" or something like that.......
Well lets be honest.......Was that Critical Thinking on my part or was it blind subservience?
I would like to continue as a member here yet I don't want to be locked in as an echo of popular opinion.......
Sometimes I don't agree with what everyone says here........usually I do, but not always.......we are individuals..........When I don't agree I want to voice myself and not parrot someone else's thoughts........
No one ever asked me to do such a thing by the way.......It just seemed the right thing to do......Everyone wants to be in the "in crowd" by nature, including myself.
But again using the example of Spock......before backing Drex I should have asked why.......but I didn't.......I acted like a sheep indeed.......
I really don't want to make this post too deep or work real hard at expressing myself........
My point is I won't .......am not gonna........have never been......
A sell out.............
So as a member here who would like to continue I want it to be clear that from me there will be no blind obedience.......again that was never asked for, but human nature drove me to find the easier softer way.....
I will continue here only if I have the freedom of my own voice and the option of disagreeing and even asking for more info before "falling in line"
Lucid.........
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Post by Wes Gear on Oct 10, 2009 10:01:23 GMT 10
well as you mentioned no one has ever asked anyone to follow anything blindly........in fact when it went down with spock you guys treated him very well at dtv.........and i remember telling people to treat him as he had treated them and not by what had happened.
also as me and spock have discussed this.........it actually was a misunderstanding that was out of both of our hands and not something we had done. it did allow us to reset the our friendship which was a good thing.
so sorry you are inclined to follow blindly.............we do not want that here no more than we want someone constantly starting trouble.
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Post by saffire on Oct 10, 2009 10:11:16 GMT 10
Once again you are using my words against me and out of context.........Could you explain the need for that?
Thing is it is not an inclination or I would have never spoken about it.....
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Post by Wes Gear on Oct 10, 2009 10:30:09 GMT 10
lucid i simply addressed what you said.........you said you were guilty of the very thing you were about to call out..........did you not? please understand your own words before trying to pick apart mine.
i'm not going to sit here and argue with you. you said what you said and i responded.
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Post by saffire on Oct 10, 2009 10:37:01 GMT 10
Drex. why to you feel the need to oppose me on so many things I say?
You said
Show me where I invited you to argue.........Or even did anything to you......
Most disconcerting to me was this bit I quoted earlier......
Your words reflect that you believe I am "inclined" to do something that I spoke out as not being willing to do...........then I get the
Is that how you percieve me? As constantly starting trouble because I voiced an unpopular opinion? And when you say "WE" may I ask who you are speaking for? Did you take a poll..........
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Post by Wes Gear on Oct 10, 2009 10:44:18 GMT 10
i am the admin...........i speak for quite a few people............i did not say you were starting trouble that is you thinking something is about you when its not............again.
i know what you are doing.........and it won't work. people are trying to get past the drama and i suggest you do the same. this will not turn out like you want it to.
i think by now everyone has gotten you were wounded..........now you are moving into the bitter stage and its getting old quick. we came here to get away from people who can't let go of shit.......
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Post by saffire on Oct 10, 2009 10:57:26 GMT 10
i am the admin...........i speak for quite a few people............i did not say you were starting trouble that is you thinking something is about you when its not............again. i know what you are doing.........and it won't work. people are trying to get past the drama and i suggest you do the same. this will not turn out like you want it to. i think by now everyone has gotten you were wounded..........now you are moving into the bitter stage and its getting old quick. we came here to get away from people who can't let go of shit....... So what are you saying Drex? You know what I am doing? What am I doing? Please enlighten me. what I see you doing........since you want to pursue the matter is having ultimate control......... I made a post that hurt no one.......yet you choose to challenge me and call me bitter and a trouble maker because I provide a mental state that doesn't feed your ego......... I didn't try to make it personal .......you did.......I am a trouble maker for speaking my mind? Then they are right and this is a fucking cult........Why challenge me instead of welcoming me back? Because you fear dissenters........I wasn't dissenting.......simply making a statement.......but look at your attack on me....... Do you think I will be any less if I am no longer part of this site? No .....I existed before you and will after you........Yet you command complete blind loyalty as seen through this thread...... What the fuck is the problem drex? I have done nothing to harm you......at this point.......and never will.........yet you need to harm me and my reputation......
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Post by spock on Oct 10, 2009 10:58:50 GMT 10
DAMN. GONNA GET IN TROUBLE HERE.
I understand you Lucid - and I understand Drex.
The thing is, if you look, this has become a club. I can see it too. I'm not blasting anybody. It is normal human nature. To be accepted in a certain place to where you would tend to bite your lip if you disagree about something, or be called out for starting shit.
You've done nothing wrong Lucid - you simply made an observation. I have made the same observation. Doesn't mean I dislike anyone, as you don't, and you have real feelings and real feelings of concern.
Don't hassle it so much though. Everyone here are friends, and that's the main reason to bite the lip if something comes up that might just twinge at a nerve.
My wife twinges on my nerves, and she loves me to death - as i do her.
My best friends get all up in my ass!!!!!!!! And they piss me off - And I love them to death.
It's the chemistry of a forum. We say something, and some part of it can be extracted and analyzed, and make us feel like a fool. It would never happen in real world conversations, where there are facial expressions and vocal cues to help understanding.
Yes, it is very possible for a forum like this to go out and act as a pact, but each individual is only responsible for what they say.
And anyone can eventually end up on the bad end - it happens, but as long as you communicate, you'll see that nothin is ever as bad as it seems, and people (at least here) want to love - regardless of opinions. that's what is refreshing.
Not can somebody SMITE ME PLEASE!!!!!!
Oh shit when I post this I can't re-edit- fuck it - HERE WE GOOO!!!!!!
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Post by end0f3verything on Oct 10, 2009 11:03:19 GMT 10
Spock...ur friends get all up in ur ass....I KNEW IT!!!!
HEY EVERYONE....SPOCK IS FINALLY OUT OF THE CLOSET!!! lol
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Post by saffire on Oct 10, 2009 11:03:57 GMT 10
Oh really? Do you think I need this? I had a life before DTV, and before OCB.........You think I will shrivel up and die cause you don't want me here? You are wrong..........I like this board........I love the members.........but your ego is overshadowing everything.........and if I am the only one with nothing to lose to say this then too fucking bad..........I don't need you and you don't need me..........but we all work well together............
I will not grovel to you Drex...........EVER...........
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