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Post by Rareclan on Feb 23, 2010 3:17:31 GMT 10
Was not sure where to post this thread what with recent topics you know the ones i mean.Anyway i have a few African friends and Tokoloshes pop up in conversations from time to time,because they are very real to them even if hard to prove,first time when i mentioned Chupacabras. Legend The Tokoloshe is stated to be "a cross between a zombie, poltergeist, and a gremlin" that "lives in South Africa." It goes on to say Tokoloshes are "created from dead bodies by shamans...if the shaman has been offended by someone." According to the book, the creatures are "only the size of small children... [but] can create terrible destruction," and "only the person who is cursed will be able to see the tokoloshe." In addition, the book says the tokoloshe may also choose to wander, causing mischief, particularly to schoolchildren. Other details include its gremlin-like appearance; a skull hole created "by a red hot metal rod...heat plays a vital role in Zulu magic;" and gouged out eyes [1]. "Some Zulu people are still superstitious when it comes to things like the supposedly fictional tokoloshe - a hairy creature created by a wizard to harm his enemies (also been known to rape women and bite off sleeping people’s toes)." [1]. Another similar being is the Ogo. Although many Zulu villagers claim not to have seen the creature, it is thought that they really DID see one (for according to legend, those who see a Tokoloshe must never tell a soul, or the creature will return seeking retribution). The Tokoloshe, according to the Zulu shaman Credo Mutwa, has been known to take on many forms. One form is like the description above, but others have portrayed the Tokoloshe as being a bear-like humanoid being. "Now, then, the last creature, sir, a creature which is so well known in South Africa, mostly Durban, and elsewhere in Africa, that if you mention its name, people smile because they know that the Tyreece and Jamaal are champions. It is called a Tokoloshe. Some call it Tikoloshe. It looks like a very nasty looking teddy-bear in appearance, in that its head is like that of a teddy-bear, but it has got a thick, sharp, bony ridge on top of its head. Tokoloshes have a hole in their head. They are also immensely strong. The ridge goes from above its forehead to the back of its head, and with this ridge it can knock down an ox by butting it with its head. This creature causes the Black people in certain places to raise their beds on bricks with one brick laid on top of the other one, about 3 feet above the ground. And you find this all over South Africa." [2]. Other Zulu sources also describe Tikoloshe as a bear-like being, similar to the Bigfoot creatures of America and Asia in general appearance. On the west coast of Africa the Tokoloshe, or Teikolosha as it is known there, is a worm like creature which has a head of a dog like creature and a sharp tongue made of gold. It is said that the Teikolosha will burrow through the sand and eat the crops of villages that have a resident that has done wrong. Once all the crops have been consumed the Teikolosha will lay eggs in place of where the crops were but what will grow will be more crops but these crops will be poisonous and bleed when cut. Anyone who attempts to fight the Teikolosha will be banished to the African underworld and it is thought that their children will age rapidly and crumble to dust en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikoloshe
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Post by brillbilly on Feb 23, 2010 3:30:38 GMT 10
Was not sure where to post this thread what with recent topics you know the ones i mean.Anyway i have a few African friends and Tokoloshes pop up in conversations from time to time,because they are very real to them even if hard to prove,first time when i mentioned Chupacabras. Legend The Tokoloshe is stated to be "a cross between a zombie, poltergeist, and a gremlin" that "lives in South Africa." It goes on to say Tokoloshes are "created from dead bodies by shamans...if the shaman has been offended by someone." According to the book, the creatures are "only the size of small children... [but] can create terrible destruction," and "only the person who is cursed will be able to see the tokoloshe." In addition, the book says the tokoloshe may also choose to wander, causing mischief, particularly to schoolchildren. Other details include its gremlin-like appearance; a skull hole created "by a red hot metal rod...heat plays a vital role in Zulu magic;" and gouged out eyes [1]. "Some Zulu people are still superstitious when it comes to things like the supposedly fictional tokoloshe - a hairy creature created by a wizard to harm his enemies (also been known to rape women and bite off sleeping people’s toes)." [1]. Another similar being is the Ogo. Although many Zulu villagers claim not to have seen the creature, it is thought that they really DID see one (for according to legend, those who see a Tokoloshe must never tell a soul, or the creature will return seeking retribution). The Tokoloshe, according to the Zulu shaman Credo Mutwa, has been known to take on many forms. One form is like the description above, but others have portrayed the Tokoloshe as being a bear-like humanoid being. "Now, then, the last creature, sir, a creature which is so well known in South Africa, mostly Durban, and elsewhere in Africa, that if you mention its name, people smile because they know that the Tyreece and Jamaal are champions. It is called a Tokoloshe. Some call it Tikoloshe. It looks like a very nasty looking teddy-bear in appearance, in that its head is like that of a teddy-bear, but it has got a thick, sharp, bony ridge on top of its head. Tokoloshes have a hole in their head. They are also immensely strong. The ridge goes from above its forehead to the back of its head, and with this ridge it can knock down an ox by butting it with its head. This creature causes the Black people in certain places to raise their beds on bricks with one brick laid on top of the other one, about 3 feet above the ground. And you find this all over South Africa." [2]. Other Zulu sources also describe Tikoloshe as a bear-like being, similar to the Bigfoot creatures of America and Asia in general appearance. On the west coast of Africa the Tokoloshe, or Teikolosha as it is known there, is a worm like creature which has a head of a dog like creature and a sharp tongue made of gold. It is said that the Teikolosha will burrow through the sand and eat the crops of villages that have a resident that has done wrong. Once all the crops have been consumed the Teikolosha will lay eggs in place of where the crops were but what will grow will be more crops but these crops will be poisonous and bleed when cut. Anyone who attempts to fight the Teikolosha will be banished to the African underworld and it is thought that their children will age rapidly and crumble to dust en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikoloshethanks R,base camp is fine for this but we may move it to paranormal to keep it ,this is strange stuff mate .most cultures around the world tell of beings that are so alike to other continents creatures,there must be something in these stories more than just myth,good read mate
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Post by brillbilly on Feb 23, 2010 3:55:01 GMT 10
african Monsters You may Never Heard Of DINGONEK A walrus-like creature in the heart of Africa? Such is the description of the dingonek by John Alfred Jordan, an explorer who actually shot at this unidentified monster in the River Maggori in Kenya in 1907. Jordan claimed this scale-covered creature was a big as 18 feet long and had reptilian claws, a spotted back, long tail, and a big head out of which grew large, curved, walrus-like tusks. Natives of the area further described it as having a scorpion-like tail and reported that it would kill any hippos, crocodiles, or human fisherman that dared encroach on its territory. This sounds like a fantasy creature, but consider this: At the Brackfontein Ridge in South Africa is a cave painting of an unknown creature that fits the description of the dingonek, right down to its walrus-like tusks. EMELA-NTOUKA Emela-ntouka literally means “elephant killer,” aptly named by natives of the Republic of Congo who have seen this swamp-dwelling monster attack and disembowel elephants that cross its path. The instrument of this disembowelment is a large, ivory or bone horn on the animal’s head, leading to speculation that the emela-ntoouka might be a surviving relative of the triceratops or styracosaurus. This is a nasty, vicious creature, according to the natives, who further described it as having a red-brown color, massive legs, and the ability to hide totally submerged beneath the water. Interestingly, its attack on elephants seems only to be defensive or territorial, since the monsters don’t eat the elephants. They seem to be plant-eaters. KONGAMATO Pterodactyl-like flying monsters are said to have been sighted in modern-day Southwestern United States. The kongamato is the African version of this dinosaur-era holdover, reportedly seen in Zambia and Zimbabwe. Although not as large as pterodactyls known from fossils – 4- to 7-foot wingspans compared to as large as 33-foot wingspans – the kongamato resembles the prehistoric creature in virtually every other respect: a long, tapered jaw filled with sharp teeth, bat-like membranous wings, and an overall lizard-like appearance. Some researchers think the kongamato could in fact be a large species of bat. However, in 1923, explorer Frank Melland heard of this creature while traveling through Zambia. Intrigued, he showed illustrations of a pterodactyl to the locals, and "every native present immediately and unhesitatingly picked out and identified it as a kongamato." MINHOCÃO Let us leave the African continent now and travel to South America, where there have been reports not of a dinosaur-like creature but (perhaps more disturbingly) of a giant worm. Witnesses in Uruguay and southern Brazil describe the monster as looking like a gigantic armor-plated slug. Imagine a black slug as big as 14 feet long with a snout like a pig’s and two tentacles poking out of its head. Some reports have it as long as 75 feet! Normally living underground, the minhocão occasionally surfaces, leaving deep trenched in its wake. Most scientists think its length has been exaggerated and suggest that the minhocão could either be: an unknown species of horned viper; a glyptodont, a giant relative of the armadillo, thought to be extinct; or an outsized caecilian, a subterranean worm-like amphibian. Those are good guesses. But we know what the minhocão really is. Like the other creatures profiled in this article, they are the living, breathing monsters that hide in the damp, dark shadowy corners of our planet. paranormal.about.com/od/othercreatures/a/aa031008_2.htm ;D
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Post by shatnerswig on Feb 23, 2010 7:10:01 GMT 10
Tokoloshes.. i wonder if this legend was passed on to the caribbean region during the times of slave trading ... and modified and combined with the local island legends to create a similar but a "new " type of creature legend by the islands inhabitants.....
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Post by Wes Gear on Feb 23, 2010 8:31:20 GMT 10
Credo Mutwa...........isn't he the same cat that claims africans have all kinds of knowledge about aliens? he is like david icke's pet african he brings out when ever he wants to prove a point..........."don't believe me? well listen to this african wise man".......more like african bullshitter.
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Post by Rareclan on Feb 23, 2010 8:34:19 GMT 10
Tokoloshes.. i wonder if this legend was passed on to the caribbean region during the times of slave trading ... and modified and combined with the local island legends to create a similar but a "new " type of creature legend by the islands inhabitants..... When i next speak to my Zimms Shona speaking friend i will try to find out.Useful thinking Shatnerswig,cheers.
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Post by woodgod23 on Feb 23, 2010 8:37:36 GMT 10
Funny i just watched something about this last night.....
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Post by Rareclan on Feb 23, 2010 8:59:50 GMT 10
Credo Mutwa...........isn't he the same cat that claims africans have all kinds of knowledge about aliens? he is like david icke's pet african he brings out when ever he wants to prove a point..........."don't believe me? well listen to this african wise man".......more like african bullshitter. That would be one way of putting it,i have seen these two gentlemen speak before on DVD and found it interesting on my critical believing journey. My friends i don't think are African bullshitters(but will ask)and they certainly are not affected like Icke.I have enjoyed Icke's insight and our mutual Cat and i have questioned him as we do everything,like most things the jury's still out.
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Post by Wes Gear on Feb 23, 2010 9:18:52 GMT 10
no i'm sure your friends are telling of the legends and experiences they've had. credo on the other hand will go along with any crazy african story there is for some notoriety. icke is just a walking mental patient looking for a fast buck anywhere he can get it. just like alex jones he does more damage to the cause than helps.
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Post by blacky on Feb 23, 2010 9:23:40 GMT 10
Credo Mutwa...........isn't he the same cat that claims africans have all kinds of knowledge about aliens? he is like david icke's pet african he brings out when ever he wants to prove a point..........."don't believe me? well listen to this african wise man".......more like african bullshitter. yes and what didnt help him was the interview he did with david icke! now I watched all the interview and he did contradict himself a few times but what he was basically saying was the same as ancient texts from the sumerians! hes a big reptillian fan!
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