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Post by shatnerswig on Oct 31, 2009 5:34:03 GMT 10
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Post by shatnerswig on Oct 31, 2009 5:39:01 GMT 10
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Post by shatnerswig on Oct 31, 2009 5:39:50 GMT 10
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Post by shatnerswig on Oct 31, 2009 5:44:15 GMT 10
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Post by shatnerswig on Oct 31, 2009 5:46:02 GMT 10
dont mind the cheese vid
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Post by Aardvaaks on Oct 31, 2009 7:13:00 GMT 10
there is so much lore about this place montauk.....some of it is so unbelievable ...al bielek is either a complete lunatic or the us government is onto some really deep shit scientifically speaking. the one thing I thought that is odd about this radar station / abandoned military base is that someone dug up a fairly recent utility bill from lilco( power company) for this base and appaarently the base is still consuming masses of electerical energy..... also the psychotropic experimentation allegedly performed there could be true..... I live about 100 miles away maybe Ill take a road trip one weekend to check this place out. Hey Wiggy, I am sure I speak for a lot of the guys but I would be right along with you on that 'field trip' to Montauk, just one problem a lot of sea water inbetween! If you do go have at least some company and a video or stills camera diary would be good to. There is many who beleive of course that the underground areas are still intact and in use deep below that area, wasnt there also speculation that submarines can accrss nearby in an underwater channel? As you know the area is there any other bases nearby to interconnect? like we have in Brills Triangle area in Oxfordshire/Berkshire UK area and the thread 'Bases'
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Post by shatnerswig on Oct 31, 2009 10:28:34 GMT 10
I dont exactly know the area i live abou 100 miles away .. but i guess im alot closer than you lol but I do know that long island is loaded with old military bases some old nike missle bases ( they re allover the place around here. I have been on 2 bases on long island that were decommissioned and they both had underground passageways connecting buildings etc. montauk is all the way at the end of long island at the very tip . If I do decide to get out there rest assured I will bring all kinds of stuff to document the place. as for the underwater sub thing I have read that there is or was an underwater docking station out in the atlantic about 1 mile from montauk which supposedly connected with the base the more you look into this subject the weirder it gets trust me there are all kinds of strange things related to this old base some things are just camoed army stuff that is now derilict like therewas a few houses on the base that were actually shore battery gun emplacements.. the fronts of the houses dropped down and inside the houses were large guns. but that isnt really para normal ... just cool. theres also talk of tesla being involved back in the day along with the philly experiment as you probably know tesla had a huge experimental site on long island not too far from this place there is also a bio -experimental station on an island off the coast of this area .. all coincidence .. maybe....im going to look for more stuff on the net .. ill post as I find em
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Post by Aardvaaks on Oct 31, 2009 10:46:26 GMT 10
I dont exactly know the area i live abou 100 miles away .. but i guess im alot closer than you lol but I do know that long island is loaded with old military bases some old nike missle bases ( they re allover the place around here. I have been on 2 bases on long island that were decommissioned and they both had underground passageways connecting buildings etc. montauk is all the way at the end of long island at the very tip . If I do decide to get out there rest assured I will bring all kinds of stuff to document the place. as for the underwater sub thing I have read that there is or was an underwater docking station out in the atlantic about 1 mile from montauk which supposedly connected with the base the more you look into this subject the weirder it gets trust me there are all kinds of strange things related to this old base some things are just camoed army stuff that is now derilict like therewas a few houses on the base that were actually shore battery gun emplacements.. the fronts of the houses dropped down and inside the houses were large guns. but that isnt really para normal ... just cool. theres also talk of tesla being involved back in the day along with the philly experiment as you probably know tesla had a huge experimental site on long island not too far from this place there is also a bio -experimental station on an island off the coast of this area .. all coincidence .. maybe....im going to look for more stuff on the net .. ill post as I find em That Wiggy sounds like a plan, lookin forward to the exrtra info you get on this place. Am I also right in thinking that this base has been around for a while even as far back as the first World War?
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Post by shatnerswig on Oct 31, 2009 11:00:30 GMT 10
this is the island i was talking about >>>>>Plum Island
If past is prologue, it might be an instructive exercise to take a short detour down memory lane.
One spooky facility that played a key role in America's Cold War bioweapons programs is the 840-acre Plum Island Animal Disease Center (PIADC). Under the nominal control of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Plum Island shared close ties with the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Md.
According to a series of striking reports by researcher Mark Sanborne, Plum Island's "spiritual godfather" was none other than one Dr. Erich Traub, "a Nazi scientist with a fascinating history." Traub spent the pre-war years as a scientific fellow at the Rockefeller Institute in Princeton, N.J., "studying bacteriology and virology, while still finding time to hang out at Camp Sigfried, headquarters of the American Nazi movement in Yaphank, Long Island, 30 miles west of Plum Island."
Citing evidence uncovered by researcher by Michael Christopher Carroll in his exposé Lab 257, when war broke out, Traub returned to Germany and became the head of Insel Riems, the Nazi state's secret biological warfare research facility located on an island in the Baltic Sea. A fanatical Nazi, Traub tested germ and viral sprays over the occupied Soviet Union "while reporting directly to Heinrich Himmler."
With a CV such as this one would have expected Traub to have landed in prison or at the end of a rope. Think again!
After the war Traub worked briefly for the Soviets before escaping into the embrace of Operation Paperclip, Washington's covert employment program for useful Nazi scientists. As Werner von Braun was to rockets, Traub was to germs: He promptly went to work for the Naval Medical Research Institute and gave operational advice to the CIA and the biowarriors at Fort Detrick. Indeed, his detailed description of his work at Insel Riems probably helped inspire the selection of Plum Island by the Army: both the German and U.S. facilities were situated on islands where the prevailing winds blew (mostly) out to sea. (Mark Sanborne, "'Bionoia' Part 3: The Mystery of Plum Island: Nazis, Ticks and Weapons of Mass Infection," World War 4 Report, No. 121, May 1, 2006)
But that's all in the past, right? Well, not entirely...
Carroll builds a compelling case that the 1975 outbreak and subsequent pandemic spread of Lyme Disease, a tick-borne pathogen first identified in Old Lyme, Connecticut "just 10 miles across Long Island Sound from Plum Island," may have originated when a secret bioweapons experiment went awry.
Since its 1975 appearance nearly 300,000 cases have been reported in 49 states, although given its mimetic abilities and confusing, multi-symptom manifestations, the CDC estimates that only one in 10 cases are recognized as such, which means potentially some three million Americans may have been infected by the pathogen.
Indeed, what makes Lyme the perfect cover as a bioweapon is its capacity as "a devious, multi-systemic, inflammatory syndrome that mimics other illnesses by encompassing a range of afflictions, including chronic and crippling pain and fatigue that untreated can spread to organs and the central nervous system, causing depression, palsy, memory loss, psychosis, and even encephalitis and death," Sanborne grimly informs us.
Why then, would America's biowarriors concern themselves with a disease that "incapacitates but rarely kills" its victims? According to Sanborne, "the logic is brutally simple." Drawing an analogy between how a wounded soldier puts greater stress on an army than a dead one, "gradually sickening a population places greater economic and social stress on a society than simply killing a limited number of people with a more direct and virulent attack."
And if such a disease can be transmitted via a natural vector like ticks or mosquitoes that already possess built-in plausible deniability so to speak "and can confuse medical authorities by presenting a broad array of symptoms that mimic other conditions (Bb, like its more famous relative syphilis, has been called the 'Great Imitator'), then so much the better," Sanborne wrote.
Carroll discovered during his research that entomologist Dr. Richard Endris and African swine fever team leader Dr. William Hess, traveled to Cameroon and other parts of Africa on "tick-hunting safaris." By the time the pair had finished their collection, they had reared "over 200,000 hard and soft ticks of multiple species."
Lab containment practices were cited as "unsafe" by outside consultants who "strongly recommended" the construction of a "modern, approved insectory be undertaken for future research." (emphasis in original) The pair were fired in 1988 and the tick colony destroyed, but the question remains: were the ticks already out of the bag?
There is also evidence that Plum Island researchers experimented with more than ticks. Carroll averred,
Dr. Endris also conducted experiments with sand flies on Plum Island in 1987 to test transmission of leishmaniasis, a bacterial ailment that if left untreated, has a human mortality rate of almost 100 percent. It is characterized by irregular bouts of fever, substantial weight loss, and swelling of the spleen and liver. The work was performed under contract for Fort Detrick, and serves as another example of a deadly germ warfare agent worked on at Plum Island for the Army, with no public knowledge or public safety precautions taken. (Michael Christopher Carroll, Lab 257: The Disturbing Story of the Government's Secret Germ Laboratory, New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 2005, p. 24)
Like other parts of America's bioweapons-industrial complex, disease outbreaks and subsequent cover-ups go hand in hand. The New York Times reported in 2004 that "the highly contagious foot and mouth virus had briefly spread within the Plum Island Animal Disease Center in two previously undisclosed incidents earlier this summer."
Fear not, lab spokesperson Donald W. Tighe told the paper "the virus had remained within the laboratory's sealed biocontainment area. He said there had been no risk to humans or animals inside or outside the laboratory." An investigation "is continuing." Alarmingly, in 1991, Hurricane Bob knocked out power on the island for several hours and disabled the air pressure systems that contained the viruses. At the time, lab spokespersons assured the public "they were safe."
Plans are afoot to close the facility. Global Security Newswire reported in February that the Department of Homeland Security is planning a new, $450 million facility to be built on the Kansas State University campus.
However, The New York Times revealed that "additional costs" would bring the total to about $630 million." The National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBADF) would have "safety built into every square inch," DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano assured critics
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Post by shatnerswig on Oct 31, 2009 11:07:38 GMT 10
I dont exactly know the area i live abou 100 miles away .. but i guess im alot closer than you lol but I do know that long island is loaded with old military bases some old nike missle bases ( they re allover the place around here. I have been on 2 bases on long island that were decommissioned and they both had underground passageways connecting buildings etc. montauk is all the way at the end of long island at the very tip . If I do decide to get out there rest assured I will bring all kinds of stuff to document the place. as for the underwater sub thing I have read that there is or was an underwater docking station out in the atlantic about 1 mile from montauk which supposedly connected with the base the more you look into this subject the weirder it gets trust me there are all kinds of strange things related to this old base some things are just camoed army stuff that is now derilict like therewas a few houses on the base that were actually shore battery gun emplacements.. the fronts of the houses dropped down and inside the houses were large guns. but that isnt really para normal ... just cool. theres also talk of tesla being involved back in the day along with the philly experiment as you probably know tesla had a huge experimental site on long island not too far from this place there is also a bio -experimental station on an island off the coast of this area .. all coincidence .. maybe....im going to look for more stuff on the net .. ill post as I find em That Wiggy sounds like a plan, lookin forward to the exrtra info you get on this place. Am I also right in thinking that this base has been around for a while even as far back as the first World War? yes you are right there was a network of bases which protected new york city and harbor the sister station was at sandy hook in new jersey which is across from the varenzanno bribge at the mouth of the bay but sandy hook doesnt have all these crazy storys attached to it like montauk also if you look at montauk on google earth you can see that the groton (conneticut) submarine base isnt too far away either they actuall y built subs there and I think it is still an active base today I was there as a kid my uncle was a submariner and i remember going onto his sub while it was docked there and taking a small tour of it,.,
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